Out of that tent of meeting comes the grateful and loving response of worship and service. I believe this is the way missions should be viewed and accomplished. They plan on filling his role with members speaking and an occasional pastor from another related church. Their incorporation into 501c3 could have serious consequences for them if they are preaching against government legislation (eg. As much as it pains me to say it, I agree with Devers viewpoint on this subject. The shared leadership not taking full-time pay checks from their fellow believers, perhaps? It is not a place for mature Christians to sit in the back and ask 1 man what can you do for me?. He is just a big idea guy. We are there as a BODY to ask what can we do to GLORIFY GOD?, @ Chris: (But seriously, 20-25 hrs a week on prep? ishy wrote: It was always my thought to have one foot in the academy and one foot in the Church; thereby, bringing both together and exposing more people in the Church to the advantages of the academy. A Christian (?) As all were replaced their titles changed with the word pastor not minister. Thanks for the man/human explanation. Do you think the Apostle Paul really knew the names of the thousands who were added to the church daily or that he made hospital visits? But maybe thats just me trying to figure out how in the world the Odd Couple ever got together and why Dever sold out what he claims to believe so fervently. WebDavid Platt is a great example of a man who may have a speech impediment yet the listener is captivated by his genuine passion for the gospel. This is odd to me. And the buzz word missional has taken over their thought process. Or to paraphrase Dilbert: What never ceases to amaze me is that many who know that do not care as long as they get to participate in the fantasy! @ refugee: So what? is there NO one in the UK and/or Ireland who can speak at the FIEC Leaders Conference that an American has to be imported? In kind renumeration is not a salary as you mention. And, sometimes, you get the pleasure of seeing their petty responses to someone that they have no other way of harming. Many of my friends from Gospel Glitterati churches invited me to the conferenceso glad I declined and did not give a penny to them. We should be supporting not admonishing! Sorry you had to go through that, Hug. Possibly a merger of IMB and NAMB which would be useful bury several issues *and* create new opportunities. Nope. The local church has an indirect impact in that it can serve as a place of training, fellowship, etc. Why if Aunt Tilly is sick we think the head shamans prayers are needed more than our next door neighbor sister or brother in Christs prayers? First, a general reason: God has always existed in relationshipthe loving relationship of Father, Son, and Spirit. Just like the Priests of the old Egyptian gods. I like the idea that, should I actually need real pastoral care at some point, it will be an option. Find a church in which the pastor knows you name and truly cares about you-not an abstract you who is just a part of a mass of faces. He will receive no salary. Here is a cautious, rather underwhelming, statement from the trustees att the IMB : Our president, Dr. David Platt, has expressed a deep sense of calling to serve as Today isnt all that special nor or we so special that we just know more than God. This enhances the body that we are serving and being served no one is exempt from either one. I am sure David Platt is a nice guy. Marketing a need for the bread will create a desire for those who feel that by purchasing the bread, they too will be beautiful, successfully suburban with beautiful spouse and kids under blue skies like the advertising. You cant have it both ways and these special privileges may prove to be a future rationalization for government meddling. To me, its not mainly about feeding. So if it is the means then why are people upset when Platt says that people need to get with it regarding the means? She never told me what they talked about, but she spoke very highly of him and enjoyed having him visit. Do we then marginalize the spiritually handicapped after weve sold them the uniform white, conforming to you, mass produced bread? Does not. Why would the love of God mean that we were created to merely be lap dogs good for nothing more than some sort of warm fuzzy feeling. No disrespect to the multitude of honest, hard working real pastors who labor faithfully, week in and week out in normal churches with an average of 100-200 in attendance each week. This week we will focus on Rashis explanation. Headless Unicorn Guy wrote: Its much better to have the Holy Spirit glory Christ in me, than I trying to be intentional about it. My advice to everyone is to stop giving them money. You never spoke a truer word. What does this mean? Yes, there is a great distinction here. (1) McLean Bible Church, https://www.mcleanbible.org. Heres the line he gave then when questioned about the issue: http://www.bpnews.net/43260/www.bpnews.net/43240/cooperation-central-to-platts-vision-at-imb. Theyre a kind of corporate lone ranger Christian (as the saying goes), having abandoned assembling together with anyone else locally, albeit trying to find some kind of belonging somewhere. i called every single one. April 2004. Im all over the continuum insofar as views go. My own mother has preached in the pulpit a time or two, or three. "At Grace Church, there are three things and ONLY three things that I do: I meet with the staff/apprentices, I preach about 70% of the time, and I lead a small group in my home. Remaining dependent on that sermon as your primary source of scriptural input seems odd too. At first I chuckled because it seems obvious to me that pastors who should know the names of those in their congregation. And when it goes badly we want to blame the clergy for not being Jesus to us. Tradition, and anyone that questions tradition is a liberal, and we all know where that leads. They must have gone in in laparoscopically. He speaks very quietly and sometimes it is hard to make out what he is saying. @ Bill: We have been attending MBC for 4 years. I ran in a 5k on Labor Day where he won the 40-44 division. But who else is going to feature that boring hallway that nobody ever uses? We minister unto the LORD. Bridget, Could you quote me some specific passages on that? Or mainly? A friend of one of my kids has stuck with SBC mega through its transitioning into calvinist/ comp/ elite and IMO one reason is precisely the organization judging from what I know of that person in other areas of his life. No longer is this business an artisan bakery, but a big time corporation. So here I sit on the fence not wanting to miss out on the excellent teachings in small classes at MBC but hungry for community (that is what a church is supposed to be, isnt it?). https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MdQINUBlPno . Its also tricky if there is something messy with IMB and NAMB that is as yet undisclosed. He and his wife have 7 children. To others, it takes years, years during which lose sleep worrying about not doing enough social work and not being worthy of salvation. I heard that allegedly most of the folks in his mega prefer Heath Lambert to preach. Or he saw the amount of resources that McLean Bible Church has and was to sway their donations. It is the body of Christ -Rachelle. In my opinion, the real trick is how much of that stuff do you (generic you) wanna extrapolate out the Bibles way back when and try an make it apply in the here and now? Muff, yes, yeppers, yessiree everything has to be done according to the Bible. His sermon on Acts opened our eyes when he introduced some social justice themes in his sermon that had literally nothing to do with the text. About 3 minutes. Thats all it is. Same as most 9M churches they pay lip service to prayer but dont labor in much prayer. With Mac Brunson you see tweets about Lambert and Mohler and trivializing the impact of Irma on the community while whining about the minor ways it inconvenienced him personally. Please keep up the good study. I think that is part of a church being well run, in a way. Tree wrote: Im not gonna convince you, and you aint gonna persuade me. Yes but the issue of him and Calvin being promoters of Valentinian Gnosticism was put to bed a long time ago. Have you seen what their next conference is going to be? But what is he doing? I think those who are critical of David and this arrangement with MBC dont understand the church. Nor do they ever get any deeper. Faith is a response to Gods Self-revelation. dee said: To our readers I am taking a seminary course at the moment on pastoral leadership in a conservative seminary. The ESS controversy is a great example, but there are more. Hi Bridget, not someone building a career. I dont view Christians (during the week) as scattered. We all hold each others hands in the hospital. Overhead is a thing that happens every single day regardless of how many people show up. Platt has always been a figurehead at the IMB, in my opinion. He was certainly a captain whom you could rely on to turn up and put in a shift when the team was under pressure. +++++++++++++++++++++++. Or when the weekly sermon is the main source of our biblical sustenance. So disheartening. All the Community out reach programs were killed by him. It leaves in its wake dis-ease. 13. And no, I do not see in scripture where it says that we all have to be alike. For me, its a point of emphasis. Platt and his team are also reorganizing the board and the IMB is going through significant change.. At that time, there did not seem to be any attempt to become a mega-church. They say they write their own sermons. As does a real paster, of course. One can improve the business by power of advertising and might of distribution. Parkinsons Law (Wiki article here for any Wartburgers at a loose end with 5 minutes to spare). But even on the most complicated issues, Ive never spent 20-25 hours just preparing for a meeting. If so, Im so sorry to hear it. The suffering of self-sacrifice in this tent of meeting will produce the godly character necessary for ministry unto the LORD, and then unto others. I ran in a 5k on Labor Day where he won the 40-44 division. @ Headless Unicorn Guy: My guess is most celebrity preachers do likewise. Id love a sabbatical too. at MBC platt was speaking about salvation and missions.. and i quote reason you were saved is to go on missions. The Holy Spirits indwelling Presence IS our witness. InDavid Platt to Be a Teaching PastorIs it a Bridge Too Far for the IMB President? Just because we are not catholic and they are no longer sacraments doesnt mean they cease to be important. This leaves the door wide open for our congregation to see areas of leadership where they are needed, and to respond accordingly.. The organizers can gain favor with the Gospel Glitterati by inviting them to the conference? Extremely astute comment, and I agree 100%. Here are the top six lies David Platt told to McLean Bible Church to mischaracterize conservative dissidents working to save the church from the Woke Social Justice heresy. David Platt lied and claimed McLean Bible Church is not affiliated with the Southern Baptist Convention. However, all the evidence says otherwise. that is the hill to die on protect their tax exempt status. He walks around to the tables, introduces himself and tries to get to know the customers. What I would say is, if you ever find the perfect church, dont join youll spoil it. The mission of God, if I may use that term, is the salvation of the world, not just the salvation of me and mine. @ Bridget: but then disillusioning applies to so many issues relating to this silly religion of mine. Id say it takes me anywhere from 8-15 hours to put together a new sermon depending on my familiarity with the passage. They promote their conferences, they sell books by Piper, Mahaney, DeYoung and the rest. Head pastor, lead pastor, teaching pastor, senior pastor, preaching pastor, associate pastor, assistant pastor, worship pastor, music pastor, youth pastor, college pastor, building services pastor, executive pastor The early church did without them for centuries, and was pretty effective. Im aware that the owner of a local restaurant does something similar. (PS: We would like to know how many of Ed Stetzer church plants survived.It's a little hard to get that number). Hes only been at the IMB for 3 years I didnt know it could be a part-time job. We called a man (we were SBC)to preach. In some cases, a speech impediment Absolutely not. WebApril 2004. Platt did not make it up nor is it original with him. The Youth and Family Pastor becomes Youth and Family Director when held by a female. Were paying, sometimes til it drives us into financial ruin, to be abused. What I see happening is horrifying. I still want to know the story of the 1,000 SBC missionaries that were called home. All this flies under the radar. Recently, a few of these guys were in Germany for a few days doing the Martin Luther tour. The building which was on the tax rolls is now removed causing a decrease in the tax base and higher taxes for others. David respected Saul as Gods anointed, even though he had good cause against him. No disrespect to the multitude of honest, hard working real pastors who labor faithfully, week in and week out in normal churches with an average of 100-200 in attendance each week. They said its a new testament model so it is. Why would people say Jesus loves me and just stop there; where is the rest of the sentence as to what that means to be loved by God? Their disregard for anything outside their circle was heartbreaking. David Platt has openly talked about the need to recruit and go after 18 to 25 year old students for their ultimate goals and purposes. Presented by a city councilman and including several city engineers. And I do not want that. Incidentally, in the spirit of holding fast to that which is good, Ill choose to remember David Platt for his superb goal for England against Belgium in the 1990 World Cup finals in Italy: And why didnt Jesus, His Disciples, and His Apostles, make the big bucks and the lives of the rich and famous as we see witnessed today with the great evangelists, preachers and teachers of our day? Both monologue (preaching) and dialogue (teaching w/discussion) are valuable in the Church. Its kind of like I got a new boss one time who made a point to tell the organization that he did NOT have an open door policy. He is doing exactly this! Joined a lovely little church which felt like family the moment I walked in the door. Some churches in my area have a Farmers Market on weekends in their parking lot. And when we take the word pastor and make of it a title and paid formal position rather than a gifting useful for service to others (which is all it appears to be in Eph 4), and when that position is essentially that of congregational CEO who is the head motivational speaker and (hopefully benevolent) king to whom all submit (rather than submitting one to another, and ultimately, of course, to Jesus), why are we surprised when we attract to that position those who are nothing more than entrepreneurial CEOs, vapid, idiotic motivational speakers, and little kings and God-haters who demand submission? Worship is the response to a revelation of Who God is. Ever wonder (Wonder Bread) why the lame and the blind are mentioned so often together in scripture? He has spent some of those weeks off preaching at Advance conferences. I think we see a lot of cases where pastors shy away from becoming friends with the people in their church. One of the 16 books DeYoung has authored is titled Crazy Busy. DeYoung is eminently qualified to write on the subject. It was a hard time to be an officer in NYC with the drug problems We all need to be fed. As a police officer, he was still in his 20s feeling burnt out and over it. As many genders as people are claiming now there is no way to be inclusive much less to do so with any common sense at all. I attended his church in Birmingham a number of times because my kids went to college in the area. More customers flock in/buy in to the marketing strategy and feel that the product enhances their life its even enriched and fortified. Im not so sure God is so worried about all our acronyms..SBC, IMB, etc Is not our mission unity in love Making disciples, preaching the word to all nations? I have a list of questions, maybe some information from the impacted group, a Reason for Outage, problem tickets and that sort of thing to work from, and I dont spend that much time. have you guys even listened to his sermons?? There were no condolences from the church, nothing. Guilt induced you are not giving me enough money for MY missions and you are not doing ENOUGH witnessing in your own life as decided by me, the missions director for god. Birds of a feather stick together, I guess that is why Platt has no problem appearing on the conference circuit with C.J. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=llNnlE6Hbuc. You want to be a prima donna with a weekend gig? I met a lady online and we agreed to meet at McLean Bible Church, where she attended, for their morning service and then have lunch afterward. Thats what our church family is for. Some people got fed up with the church service and would come to the class and not attend church. I hate that. But I experienced him as my (now former) pastor and while he may be a great speaker, he is not a good pastor. For all the problems which have been pointed out about SBC Voices, Dave Miller, et al, made sure that the speakers at the 2017 SBC Pastors Conference (the prelude to the annual SBC gathering/business meeting) came from small churches (< 500 members) and, though all were male, they were not all white. David Platt had disgraced us with his presence in the UK last year. No liberal lefty here, in fact, not really political at all, but as someone who is a full bore Christian, has published in the field of taxation and done research into nonprofit organizations, I think its high time we close the loophole as well for any 501(c)(3) that does not truly function as a charitable nonprofit organization.God wrote: Given my personal state, thats not exactly comforting! but Pastor is certainly not it. * have you guys even listened to his sermons?? And they are extremely popular with Baptist pastors, but most Baptists have no idea they even exist. To follow my last commentthey have also hosted Mark Dever for a conference titled Growing Healthy Churches most ironic! Could you comment on that? David Platt ended that dream. Be Holy, for I am Holy! Will Its people slump into a false religious quagmire of fifteenth century religious darkness? The model in the New Testament was shared leadership. Youre modeling New Testament now? Fear strikes at the hearts of the men of the NAMB. Please, I prepped lesson plans for 6 math classes per day (4 different grade levels) in way, way, way less time than that! While Platt will not be able to repeatedly use a handful of go to sermons at his church he will be able to utilize his notes from years of preaching at The Church at Brook Hills., While Platt may not technically be drawing a salary from McLean Bible Church my guess is that in a church of that size there are some wealthy members who are providing some sort of financial renumeration to Platt. If you have a good class and good friends in that class, keep going. Lon always wore a suit. Ones talents, skills, personality are all part of that, and you do not have to suddenly come out of your introvert cocoon to become an extrovert Pied Piper. The same is true for many ARC churches. Dont know. They just say they do. its high time for change. @ Hope: Did anything ever become of this at the IMB? We could argue this stuff back and forth until the ice sheets start moving South again and it would accomplish nada, zilch, and zero. Speaker?) McLean Bible Church is the church of my childhood (Lon Solomon is a personal family friend) and my husband came to know Christ at MBC. Cant leave much time for family. They will help the bakery improve marketing and distribution: Corporate granaries such as ConAggerback and General Willow Mills. Dr. said it was about to go, but he got it out without the mess. He also will continue to spend 35% of his weekends traveling domestically and internationally carrying out IMB responsibilities and preaching in Southern Baptist churches, in addition to his extensive travel during the week. tr. The sermon or the gathering might not be experienced as anything significant to us, but we dont know how others are responding. Folks, find a church in which you have a real pastor, not a talking head who offers nothingdifferent than apodcast Find a pastor who knows your names and will come and sit with you when you are in the hospital. But they are the foundation to faith and give definition and motivation to service (in light of His great love). Which is part of why I like liturgy; the sermon can be a dud but there is still substance in the rest of the service. And there is now a DidaskoFellowship of churches which is about to set up a Didasko Presbytery. A church in my area was hosting some type of Coffee House service very late on Friday nights. Sadly yes the FIEC has become the beachhead for T4G/TGC and the 9Marxist groups. Of course, we need the leaders to tell us what all this do-do looks like (imperatives, again) it fills all their conferences and publishing. 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